I have a really difficult time understanding my fellow Americans who hate Jewish people and their culture and positive contributions to society while supporting Hamas and other terrorist organizations who spread an ideology of negativity and death.
"As a Jewish convert to Orthodox Christianity with a fairly wide set of historical books under my belt, it troubles me to see some hierarchs and channels following the world's narrative about "anti-Semitism" and all the things that have been done to "combat anti-Semitism." I'll tell you directly, as a 100% pure blooded Ashkenazi man, how to fix "anti-Semitism:" Anti-Semitism will end when faithless Jews leave other groups of people alone and stop trying to transform their nations and cultures in ways that invariably harm the populations in question. It is really not that complicated.”
Hatred is an emotion. It is not based on facts. Therefore smart, logical people can't understand the hatred. Conversely the haters don't want to hear facts . That would change their opinions. The haters support for Hamas and other terrorist groups is also based on emotion and lies. Reaching illogical people with facts is a huge hill to climb.
But they are…truly…bat shit crazy. They seek a life destroying entropy as the “solution” to a life affirming battle for complexity. They are lazy and the more comfortable they get the more lazy they get. They are happy melting into nothingness, supported by the State…until all the other people’s wealth is consumed and we collapse into the final chaos of real entropy and cease to exist…which at the fringes is their battle cry. So yes, they are bat shit crazy.
It isn't just numbers Janine--because at most liberals along with the truly crazies might be getting close to 30%. It is how loud they scream---it's how outrageous they are online--the noise makes it seem like there are more of them. But the truth is--there are more honest, hard working, patriotica nd civilized people. We just need to make our voices heard.
The politics of envy and grievance, the narrative of exploiter and exploited require a villain who can be held responsible for the failures and dissatisfaction of individuals and groups.
Jews and the Jewish state of Israel have been elected for the role of villain, as they are visible symbols of worldly success who can then be both envied and castigated.
By doing so, the aggrieved can shirk their responsibility to themselves for succeeding, and blame the outside world, society, and most importantly, the successful ie Jews.
The low life Christians can't stand their strength and enormous contributions to the world in philosophy -sceince and technology - a tiny % of humanity that has survived every attempt to eradicate them. Who would these idiots have to blame except for the Jews for their self hatred? OH yeah -The Blacks and The Muslims etc. -LOL
lol- 200o years of christians terrorizing Jews culminating in the Holocaust where the Pope backed the nazis - evangelicals cant wait for the end of days when the Jews who dont convert will all go to hell - oh and I guess your in a silo from the social media hatred - NOT communists!-The rabid Muslims of course are a given but they hate everyone including each other
It wouldn’t happen randomly in the same way time after time. Test your premises, question the narratives. Question your assumptions. There must be something you’ve yet to figure.
This is why all the absolutist "free speech culture" ideologues like Greg Lukianoff are wrong. We must make Jew-hatred, like overt hateful bigotry against any group, TABOO again. These people must be ostracized out of polite society and our mainstream politics, as we did to defeat the KKK. If we don't, their hatred will normalize and spiral into violence and anarchy. https://whiterosemagazine.com/the-dangerous-myth-of-more-speech/
I understand the instinct, but it's not realistic. Use the KKK as an example and you'll see that their hateful ideology was simply not compatible with our polite society. The same applies today to all overt, hateful, eliminationist bigotry, though we need to be principled to ensure this doesn't violate the 1A or succumb to the excess of cancel culture. If you're interested, this is the topic I'm focusing all my energy on today, trying to spark a movement to restore our 'universal, moral TABOOS', which I write about at elevin11.substack.com
The KKK and other groups like it did not limit their hate to speech. CF: burnings and lynchings. BTW: Why is burning a cross not "symbolic speech" like burning our Nation's flag? Maybe that is because burning the cross was often done on other folks' lawns. But it was also done in public place. So again, why was it not just symbolic speech if not done on somebody's private property? In many states and cities, a person cannot put up a sign on "its" own lawn saying "queers and lesbians are ruining the country" without being arrested. Dead-end road you are on.
They are effectively defeated. They have almost no influence in our mainstream culture and politics, and their ability to recruit people into their hateful ideology is very limited. That's not to say they have no presence or impact or that they can't reconstitute to have more, but we made them quite irrelevant to modern life. We must do the same with all other overt, hateful, eliminationist bigots no matter what side of the political spectrum they fall on or who they target their hatred towards.
You sound a little like the KKK. The good guys in history are never the ones trying to silence others. In the marketplace of ideas reason will always win out. Forcing suppression makes you the bad guy.
Time to go back to the drawing board and isolate who are and aren’t the target of comments that you want to define as anti-Semitic, (whatever that means to you) and ask if they actually are.
You think the KKKs hate was defeated with reason? You think if KKK members were allowed to be upstanding members of polite society, facing no ostracism or other social and professional consequences for their stated beliefs, things would've been better? You think if one of your colleagues revealed themselves to be a KKK member, they'd remain employed?
He is so right!! Stop being a “shtetel” Jew. Stop apologizing that you are here. The state of Israel has brought about the novel concept: A proud Jew. That’s the only kind of Jews able to rise from the swamp of antisemitism.
There are no great schools where you are? Or are you suggesting something other than great public schools. Are you suggesting segregation? So many KKKish suggestions in this comment section.
I wasn't talking about me. I was asking what you are calling "validation". I have no audience to speak of. Pointing at every human being who engages in a conversation about 'conversations about Israel' and calling them an anti-semite is a bad strategy. But don't take my word for it; go ahead and run with it. The repercussions will be yours.
No country is perfect but attempting to tar the sole liberal western democracy in the region as being equally problematic to the guys who execute women for showing their hair is delusional at best.
I think that antisemitism and Trump Derangement Syndrome are one and the same: totally irrational emotional state of mind. They substitute for a need these people have and cannot fill. They fill a monstrous hole in the people who buy into them - perhaps the only way they can feel superior.
Spot on! I totally agree with your thesis: Jew hatred is a civilizational issue and every rational person—whatever our background—has a role to play. Fight! Fight! Fight!
Why should non-Muslims try to understand Islam? Does it matter?
Let me start by saying: "Islam is unique among the world's major religions at the structural level, that is rarely discussed plainly." it contains, within its own authoritative legal tradition, a framework for governing people who never chose it. What i mean by that is: That those who follow Islam [The house of Islam] are required to govern those who never chose to follow Islam [the non-believers or house of war]. This is not an interpretation from the fringes. It is the mainstream position of classical Sunni jurisprudence. Ibn Kathir, Al-Suyuti, Al-Shafi'i. These are not extremists. They are the tradition's own most respected voices, and they say it plainly.
Every other major religion exists to transform the lives of those who voluntarily embrace it. [Islam does that too]. But Islam also contains a legal architecture that is derived directly from its foundational texts, which divides the world into the house of Islam and the house of war. Islamic doctrine imposes perpetual conflict between Islam and those who do not embrace Islam, until the house of Islam prevails against the non believers. ALL of the Islamic branches and sects across the various Islamic theological and legal schools have codified this. And it has been established by its greatest classical jurists. Mandating ongoing conflict until Islam absorbs the kafirs, and specifies legal conditions under which non-Muslims may be permitted to continue to live, under Islamic authority. And subject to specific taxes, restrictions, and formal ritualized humiliation. This is why Shariah law creeps into our law codes.
There is a second thing non-Muslims need to understand, which is abrogation.
The Quran contains verses of patience, coexistence, and tolerance. It also contains verses commanding perpetual warfare against unbelievers until Islam prevails. These two sets of verses do not coexist as equal options. The Islamic legal tradition has a formal mechanism called naskh. In English we say abrogation. Abrogation is a fancy way of saying that the most recent instructions over ride the older instructions. Like a software update. But it can also help to think of it in a historical seance when looking at the Quran, where later revelations override earlier ones. Because the Quran was not written down all at once, but piecemeal, as it became convenient for Muhammad to receive words from his pet Angel. Al-Suyuti counted more than one hundred peaceful verses abrogated by a single later verse. The peaceful Quran that is typically presented to Western audiences is from the earlier verses. Because the Quran is entirely out of chronological order in an effort to impress the critics by placing the bigger and more impressive chapters at the front of the book and the smaller ones tucked away at the back. This is when Shariah law creeps into our law codes.
And then there is taqiyya. The doctrine that grants permission, under subjectively convenient conditions, to be deceptive. To an enemy, to your wife, or to further the goals of Islamic domination. According to the judgment of the deceiver. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is a documented feature of Islamic jurisprudence, debated and defined by the tradition's own scholars. And agreed upon by the top schools of Islamic studies. This is precisely how shariah law creeps into our institutions and law codes.
None of this means every Muslim is your enemy. It means that understanding Islam from its own authoritative sources, not from its most marketable presentations, is not optional for anyone who wants to think clearly about the world they are living in.
Antisemitism is a subset of scapegoating. There will always be scapegoating. There is a lot of scholarship on this subject, there is no way to create a world without scapegoating. Politicians love scapegoating as do many conspiracy theorists and other persons. Jews often are the perfect scapegoat, which is why there is such a long history of antisemitism. But sometimes the scapegoat will be immigrants or some other minority. You can’t educate people not to be antisemitic, it doesn’t work and the most educated people often are the worst antisemites, but you can do a better job educating people about pervasive scapegoating so that they are better able to see it and fight it. Jews can’t be the only group or even the main group educating and fighting scapegoating.
The reason it is important for non Jews to stand with Jews against Jew hate is different than in previous times. The elephant in the room as witnessed in Europe recently is brought to the West by Iran and Qatar not to mention a few similar. Once they get rid of the Jews the Christians are next on the list.
We need to stand unified in the U. S. And fight this virus.
Still need some real thought and comment on what is to be done. What changes in actions, education, culture, etc. since what has been done to date (since the Holocaust) has obviously failed). How about moats around all Jewish institutions?
AH there you are! Crawled out of whatever hole you call a home to breathe your sick reptilian poison before crawling away again! BUT you wont escape - That's a promise! Sooner or later you will pay the price (in this world or the next) lol
It occurs to me that loudly pronounced Jewish support for Christian organizations would also be a net positive in the fight against racial/religious bigotry. Maybe it happens and I've missed it?
Oh- I gotcha. Thanks for explaining. Are you saying that you don’t think the Christian Zionists give Israel any real support? Like, you think Mike Huckabee is a complete anomoly? And the Scofield bible thing isn’t a thing?
You got it backwards. I don't think Israel gives Christians any real support. They are happy to accept Christian support but don't ever seem to speak out about atrocities committed against Christians in Moslem countries, But, the again, neither does the Pope. The world is full of talk about religion .but the only action seems to come from Moslems
I agree with you. But I think their is a sense of hierarchical entitlement that they hope we don’t notice. Something to do with that “chosen” term that gets thrown around a-lot.
And their groups are never nicked for ‘no diversity’ like others are. Different rules seem to apply.
You will never eliminate anti-semitism because the Jews are anti-Semitic as well as being anti-Gentile. Their culture is based on Genesis chapter 34, they are criticised in the New Testament “Ye are of your father the devil, he was a murderer from the beginning”. Then read their Talmud with all the instructions that everything in the World belongs to them and they are entitled to take it from everyone else. It even recommends abusing children and babies. What sort of god would chose such people?
I have a really difficult time understanding my fellow Americans who hate Jewish people and their culture and positive contributions to society while supporting Hamas and other terrorist organizations who spread an ideology of negativity and death.
I’m with you Naomi. And always have been and will be.
"As a Jewish convert to Orthodox Christianity with a fairly wide set of historical books under my belt, it troubles me to see some hierarchs and channels following the world's narrative about "anti-Semitism" and all the things that have been done to "combat anti-Semitism." I'll tell you directly, as a 100% pure blooded Ashkenazi man, how to fix "anti-Semitism:" Anti-Semitism will end when faithless Jews leave other groups of people alone and stop trying to transform their nations and cultures in ways that invariably harm the populations in question. It is really not that complicated.”
– Brother Augustine
Hatred is an emotion. It is not based on facts. Therefore smart, logical people can't understand the hatred. Conversely the haters don't want to hear facts . That would change their opinions. The haters support for Hamas and other terrorist groups is also based on emotion and lies. Reaching illogical people with facts is a huge hill to climb.
Well then, that means you’ve got a premise or two wrong. Keep working at it.
It can’t be that a huge swath of your neighbors are bat-shit crazy. So…. look into it.
But they are…truly…bat shit crazy. They seek a life destroying entropy as the “solution” to a life affirming battle for complexity. They are lazy and the more comfortable they get the more lazy they get. They are happy melting into nothingness, supported by the State…until all the other people’s wealth is consumed and we collapse into the final chaos of real entropy and cease to exist…which at the fringes is their battle cry. So yes, they are bat shit crazy.
It isn't just numbers Janine--because at most liberals along with the truly crazies might be getting close to 30%. It is how loud they scream---it's how outrageous they are online--the noise makes it seem like there are more of them. But the truth is--there are more honest, hard working, patriotica nd civilized people. We just need to make our voices heard.
But it can be and they are.
Lying to yourself is free but unhealthy. I see you are indulging.
In your opinion.
The politics of envy and grievance, the narrative of exploiter and exploited require a villain who can be held responsible for the failures and dissatisfaction of individuals and groups.
Jews and the Jewish state of Israel have been elected for the role of villain, as they are visible symbols of worldly success who can then be both envied and castigated.
By doing so, the aggrieved can shirk their responsibility to themselves for succeeding, and blame the outside world, society, and most importantly, the successful ie Jews.
Dirt poor Jews living in the shtetl were also hated.
By other poor people?
Correct, Jews are too everything, too smart, too successful, too happy, too alive, too cohesive, too complex, so they must also be too evil.
The low life Christians can't stand their strength and enormous contributions to the world in philosophy -sceince and technology - a tiny % of humanity that has survived every attempt to eradicate them. Who would these idiots have to blame except for the Jews for their self hatred? OH yeah -The Blacks and The Muslims etc. -LOL
Has absolutely nothing to do with Christians and everything to do with communists and theocratic Muslims.
lol- 200o years of christians terrorizing Jews culminating in the Holocaust where the Pope backed the nazis - evangelicals cant wait for the end of days when the Jews who dont convert will all go to hell - oh and I guess your in a silo from the social media hatred - NOT communists!-The rabid Muslims of course are a given but they hate everyone including each other
Hear, hear.
last paragraph makes no sense!
This is correct. See my separate post below on scapegoating
It wouldn’t happen randomly in the same way time after time. Test your premises, question the narratives. Question your assumptions. There must be something you’ve yet to figure.
This is why all the absolutist "free speech culture" ideologues like Greg Lukianoff are wrong. We must make Jew-hatred, like overt hateful bigotry against any group, TABOO again. These people must be ostracized out of polite society and our mainstream politics, as we did to defeat the KKK. If we don't, their hatred will normalize and spiral into violence and anarchy. https://whiterosemagazine.com/the-dangerous-myth-of-more-speech/
Wrong road to travel. It leads to a dead end for all speech. Just my opinion, nothing more.
I understand the instinct, but it's not realistic. Use the KKK as an example and you'll see that their hateful ideology was simply not compatible with our polite society. The same applies today to all overt, hateful, eliminationist bigotry, though we need to be principled to ensure this doesn't violate the 1A or succumb to the excess of cancel culture. If you're interested, this is the topic I'm focusing all my energy on today, trying to spark a movement to restore our 'universal, moral TABOOS', which I write about at elevin11.substack.com
The KKK and other groups like it did not limit their hate to speech. CF: burnings and lynchings. BTW: Why is burning a cross not "symbolic speech" like burning our Nation's flag? Maybe that is because burning the cross was often done on other folks' lawns. But it was also done in public place. So again, why was it not just symbolic speech if not done on somebody's private property? In many states and cities, a person cannot put up a sign on "its" own lawn saying "queers and lesbians are ruining the country" without being arrested. Dead-end road you are on.
You can't see the distinctions here?
Fortunately most normal decent people CAN!
You are nasty and ignorant.
Truth hurts
You think the KKK has been defeated? I wish it were so, but it's not.
They are effectively defeated. They have almost no influence in our mainstream culture and politics, and their ability to recruit people into their hateful ideology is very limited. That's not to say they have no presence or impact or that they can't reconstitute to have more, but we made them quite irrelevant to modern life. We must do the same with all other overt, hateful, eliminationist bigots no matter what side of the political spectrum they fall on or who they target their hatred towards.
You sound a little like the KKK. The good guys in history are never the ones trying to silence others. In the marketplace of ideas reason will always win out. Forcing suppression makes you the bad guy.
Time to go back to the drawing board and isolate who are and aren’t the target of comments that you want to define as anti-Semitic, (whatever that means to you) and ask if they actually are.
You think the KKKs hate was defeated with reason? You think if KKK members were allowed to be upstanding members of polite society, facing no ostracism or other social and professional consequences for their stated beliefs, things would've been better? You think if one of your colleagues revealed themselves to be a KKK member, they'd remain employed?
He is so right!! Stop being a “shtetel” Jew. Stop apologizing that you are here. The state of Israel has brought about the novel concept: A proud Jew. That’s the only kind of Jews able to rise from the swamp of antisemitism.
I agree with this essay. Two things are needed:
1. Great education for Jewish youth so they understand who they are and can be proud.
2. The non-Jewish community assistance with fighting the scourge of antisemitism.
There are no great schools where you are? Or are you suggesting something other than great public schools. Are you suggesting segregation? So many KKKish suggestions in this comment section.
The unfortunate reality is that there is a large segment of society who receive validation for their entrenched antisemitism from the co-opted media
It’s a factual statement that Israel is the only liberal democracy in the region.
Is opening up deeper discussions ‘validation’?
QED👆
Which means what?
QED quod erat demonstrandum
That which was to be proved.
You are seeking validation
I wasn't talking about me. I was asking what you are calling "validation". I have no audience to speak of. Pointing at every human being who engages in a conversation about 'conversations about Israel' and calling them an anti-semite is a bad strategy. But don't take my word for it; go ahead and run with it. The repercussions will be yours.
No country is perfect but attempting to tar the sole liberal western democracy in the region as being equally problematic to the guys who execute women for showing their hair is delusional at best.
I think that antisemitism and Trump Derangement Syndrome are one and the same: totally irrational emotional state of mind. They substitute for a need these people have and cannot fill. They fill a monstrous hole in the people who buy into them - perhaps the only way they can feel superior.
Also a lazy way to live? It's easy to grab an emotional narrative and not bother to check if there are facts to back it up.
Well said!
Spot on! I totally agree with your thesis: Jew hatred is a civilizational issue and every rational person—whatever our background—has a role to play. Fight! Fight! Fight!
I don't care about Islam or Judaism nor am I interested in kowtowing to either.
Why should non-Muslims try to understand Islam? Does it matter?
Let me start by saying: "Islam is unique among the world's major religions at the structural level, that is rarely discussed plainly." it contains, within its own authoritative legal tradition, a framework for governing people who never chose it. What i mean by that is: That those who follow Islam [The house of Islam] are required to govern those who never chose to follow Islam [the non-believers or house of war]. This is not an interpretation from the fringes. It is the mainstream position of classical Sunni jurisprudence. Ibn Kathir, Al-Suyuti, Al-Shafi'i. These are not extremists. They are the tradition's own most respected voices, and they say it plainly.
Every other major religion exists to transform the lives of those who voluntarily embrace it. [Islam does that too]. But Islam also contains a legal architecture that is derived directly from its foundational texts, which divides the world into the house of Islam and the house of war. Islamic doctrine imposes perpetual conflict between Islam and those who do not embrace Islam, until the house of Islam prevails against the non believers. ALL of the Islamic branches and sects across the various Islamic theological and legal schools have codified this. And it has been established by its greatest classical jurists. Mandating ongoing conflict until Islam absorbs the kafirs, and specifies legal conditions under which non-Muslims may be permitted to continue to live, under Islamic authority. And subject to specific taxes, restrictions, and formal ritualized humiliation. This is why Shariah law creeps into our law codes.
There is a second thing non-Muslims need to understand, which is abrogation.
The Quran contains verses of patience, coexistence, and tolerance. It also contains verses commanding perpetual warfare against unbelievers until Islam prevails. These two sets of verses do not coexist as equal options. The Islamic legal tradition has a formal mechanism called naskh. In English we say abrogation. Abrogation is a fancy way of saying that the most recent instructions over ride the older instructions. Like a software update. But it can also help to think of it in a historical seance when looking at the Quran, where later revelations override earlier ones. Because the Quran was not written down all at once, but piecemeal, as it became convenient for Muhammad to receive words from his pet Angel. Al-Suyuti counted more than one hundred peaceful verses abrogated by a single later verse. The peaceful Quran that is typically presented to Western audiences is from the earlier verses. Because the Quran is entirely out of chronological order in an effort to impress the critics by placing the bigger and more impressive chapters at the front of the book and the smaller ones tucked away at the back. This is when Shariah law creeps into our law codes.
And then there is taqiyya. The doctrine that grants permission, under subjectively convenient conditions, to be deceptive. To an enemy, to your wife, or to further the goals of Islamic domination. According to the judgment of the deceiver. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is a documented feature of Islamic jurisprudence, debated and defined by the tradition's own scholars. And agreed upon by the top schools of Islamic studies. This is precisely how shariah law creeps into our institutions and law codes.
None of this means every Muslim is your enemy. It means that understanding Islam from its own authoritative sources, not from its most marketable presentations, is not optional for anyone who wants to think clearly about the world they are living in.
That is what my work is about.
Antisemitism is a subset of scapegoating. There will always be scapegoating. There is a lot of scholarship on this subject, there is no way to create a world without scapegoating. Politicians love scapegoating as do many conspiracy theorists and other persons. Jews often are the perfect scapegoat, which is why there is such a long history of antisemitism. But sometimes the scapegoat will be immigrants or some other minority. You can’t educate people not to be antisemitic, it doesn’t work and the most educated people often are the worst antisemites, but you can do a better job educating people about pervasive scapegoating so that they are better able to see it and fight it. Jews can’t be the only group or even the main group educating and fighting scapegoating.
The reason it is important for non Jews to stand with Jews against Jew hate is different than in previous times. The elephant in the room as witnessed in Europe recently is brought to the West by Iran and Qatar not to mention a few similar. Once they get rid of the Jews the Christians are next on the list.
We need to stand unified in the U. S. And fight this virus.
Still need some real thought and comment on what is to be done. What changes in actions, education, culture, etc. since what has been done to date (since the Holocaust) has obviously failed). How about moats around all Jewish institutions?
AH there you are! Crawled out of whatever hole you call a home to breathe your sick reptilian poison before crawling away again! BUT you wont escape - That's a promise! Sooner or later you will pay the price (in this world or the next) lol
It occurs to me that loudly pronounced Jewish support for Christian organizations would also be a net positive in the fight against racial/religious bigotry. Maybe it happens and I've missed it?
You have missed nothing because what you reference has not happened at any more than a "thank you for your service" level.
What service?
FYI: it's a phrase often used sarcastically by people claiming to support veterans when they really despise what the U.S. military does.
Oh- I gotcha. Thanks for explaining. Are you saying that you don’t think the Christian Zionists give Israel any real support? Like, you think Mike Huckabee is a complete anomoly? And the Scofield bible thing isn’t a thing?
You got it backwards. I don't think Israel gives Christians any real support. They are happy to accept Christian support but don't ever seem to speak out about atrocities committed against Christians in Moslem countries, But, the again, neither does the Pope. The world is full of talk about religion .but the only action seems to come from Moslems
I agree with you. But I think their is a sense of hierarchical entitlement that they hope we don’t notice. Something to do with that “chosen” term that gets thrown around a-lot.
And their groups are never nicked for ‘no diversity’ like others are. Different rules seem to apply.
Vast majority of these organizations are run by fanatics!
The other way ‘round, if anything.
I don't understand. Could you please clarify what your comment means?
You will never eliminate anti-semitism because the Jews are anti-Semitic as well as being anti-Gentile. Their culture is based on Genesis chapter 34, they are criticised in the New Testament “Ye are of your father the devil, he was a murderer from the beginning”. Then read their Talmud with all the instructions that everything in the World belongs to them and they are entitled to take it from everyone else. It even recommends abusing children and babies. What sort of god would chose such people?