Christians have a responsibility to bless the nation in which God has placed them, where they can make real contributions to peace, prosperity and restoration.
Thank you for mentioning the Book of Jeremiah. Jews are naturally very averse to "Christian Nationalism" and it would behoove you to make an adjustment to your phraseology. Always use the phrase Judeo-Christian. It's just smarter to use a phrase that embraces Jews instead of frightening them.
I guess I did overstep my position. So please, tell me about all your Jewish friends who embrace the idea of Christian nationalism. Educate me. Perhaps, you could put me in touch with a few of them so I could better understand why my generalization is so wrong.
Nothing new about incarceration. It is the more lenient restraint of mandatory death penalty or the "life for a life" restraint of the Mosaic Law.
The choices are - kill them directly in battle, capture them and give a fair trial and execute or imprison. Or dhimmitude. Or martyrdom.
The Declaration of Independence is an invention of humanitarian Unitarians, it is not revealed truth.
Humans are not born equal on almost all parameters of comparison, the equality is a tautological nonsense, existence is a gift from a creator and as such is only inalienable if each so endowed creature's existence is absolute and eternal. God cannot un-exist any human person?
If we accept that liberty is confined to freedom of will, all other generalisations are moot.
And this right to the pursuit of happiness when understood as free to do anything to get basic needs met is limited by the restraint of the moral law in the situation of scarcity of resources to satisfy everybody.
My impression is that the state of the United States today demonstrates the utter and complete failure of this "guiding principle".
I want no trouble from anybody and wish nobody ill and yet all around me there is trouble and strife. I *know* Islam, I have experience of Muslins living quietly in my neighbourhood and working alongside me as well as experiencing the threat of death and violent mistreatment in places under Islamic power and control. Close friends tried to convert me to militant Marxism while I was heeding the atrocities of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot, the Gulag Archipelago gave me firm foundation for doubt and was confirmed by personally attending unarmed and unprotected to the health of mothers and babies in country during the Vietnam war, long before MSF was founded
This is superficial fantasy fluff. Joshua fought, King David fought, Crusaders fought, Joan of Arc fought, my father fought Japanese invaders of Australia. The Maccabees fought and then killed themselves.
Be truthful, this side of the grave lethal violence against and imprisonment of outlaws and invaders is inevitable and martyrdom will abound amongst faithful Christians.
Though nothing you have said nullifies these principles... Indeed, the example of Bonhoeffer agrees with your assertion of the inevitability of violence and martyrdom. One can still recognize the dignity of those with whom one differs; and for the Christian, love for our enemies is no fantasy fluff, but a bedrock value. It arises from the foundation of God's grace, which was extended to us while we were his enemies....
The "peace" being addressed is worldly peace, the prosperity is utterly carnal and the restoration is another form of return to some sort of previous Eden like idyll.
Carnal, secular fluff. And what is puerile is the kindergarten cute of mirroring the five pillars of Islam
I like your previous comments. They are cogent, fair and I think correct. However, regarding this last although Islam does refer to five pillars I think this is merely coincidental to the thrust of the article and not intentional in the sense of mirroring, let alone supporting Islam which fails all five points of Christian Patriotism as described except it does have purpose which is power and very different from that described here.
The article uses the “Five Pillars” label as a structural device, common in writing to evoke familiarity (especially when contrasting with Islam or other traditions). However, the content is Christian-Western in inspiration, not Islamic. It promotes a form of Christian patriotism as an alternative to what the author calls “Christian Nationalism.” There is no theological, ritual, or doctrinal overlap with Islam’s Five Pillars.
May I narrow the focus? Think Babylon, Assyria, Ancient Egypt of ancient times and more recently British Imperialism, French Imperialism following Portuguese Imperialism, those all born and raised different sorts of Christian and bearing far from fraternal love and peaceful co-existence.
It seems to me the current controversy concerns separation of church and state or something very similar. The "unity" was in partiality and brought about neither peace with fellow citizen nor peace with neighbouring states.
We alive in the first world are deluded that the long post-ww2 absence of another world war was a return to "normal".
I fully agree and for that reason I support the concept of Christian Patriotism as a way of unifying ‘our’ tribe against the onslaught it is experiencing and will do so even more at cost of its destruction unless radical Islam is confronted with unabashed, self first, confidence and vigour.
When Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek he was referring to individual response to unfair treatment not tribal or national response to civilisational threat. This concept has been fully considered under Just War theory as proposed by Augustine and Aquinas amongst others.
In a nutshell, and at risk of over simplification, fight fire with fire and in this case Christian Patriotism offers a moderate start to that process.
What a gift to start this Memorial Day weekend and Pentecost celebration with this reflection. May the Lord give me the strength to internalize and practice these maxims every day
Thank you for mentioning the Book of Jeremiah. Jews are naturally very averse to "Christian Nationalism" and it would behoove you to make an adjustment to your phraseology. Always use the phrase Judeo-Christian. It's just smarter to use a phrase that embraces Jews instead of frightening them.
Speaking for all Jews must make you very important
I guess I did overstep my position. So please, tell me about all your Jewish friends who embrace the idea of Christian nationalism. Educate me. Perhaps, you could put me in touch with a few of them so I could better understand why my generalization is so wrong.
These days those that “hold these truths” are derided as “deplorables”. Proposing concentration camps is the new standard. It continues to horrify me.
Nothing new about incarceration. It is the more lenient restraint of mandatory death penalty or the "life for a life" restraint of the Mosaic Law.
The choices are - kill them directly in battle, capture them and give a fair trial and execute or imprison. Or dhimmitude. Or martyrdom.
The Declaration of Independence is an invention of humanitarian Unitarians, it is not revealed truth.
Humans are not born equal on almost all parameters of comparison, the equality is a tautological nonsense, existence is a gift from a creator and as such is only inalienable if each so endowed creature's existence is absolute and eternal. God cannot un-exist any human person?
If we accept that liberty is confined to freedom of will, all other generalisations are moot.
And this right to the pursuit of happiness when understood as free to do anything to get basic needs met is limited by the restraint of the moral law in the situation of scarcity of resources to satisfy everybody.
My impression is that the state of the United States today demonstrates the utter and complete failure of this "guiding principle".
I want no trouble from anybody and wish nobody ill and yet all around me there is trouble and strife. I *know* Islam, I have experience of Muslins living quietly in my neighbourhood and working alongside me as well as experiencing the threat of death and violent mistreatment in places under Islamic power and control. Close friends tried to convert me to militant Marxism while I was heeding the atrocities of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot, the Gulag Archipelago gave me firm foundation for doubt and was confirmed by personally attending unarmed and unprotected to the health of mothers and babies in country during the Vietnam war, long before MSF was founded
This is superficial fantasy fluff. Joshua fought, King David fought, Crusaders fought, Joan of Arc fought, my father fought Japanese invaders of Australia. The Maccabees fought and then killed themselves.
Be truthful, this side of the grave lethal violence against and imprisonment of outlaws and invaders is inevitable and martyrdom will abound amongst faithful Christians.
Though nothing you have said nullifies these principles... Indeed, the example of Bonhoeffer agrees with your assertion of the inevitability of violence and martyrdom. One can still recognize the dignity of those with whom one differs; and for the Christian, love for our enemies is no fantasy fluff, but a bedrock value. It arises from the foundation of God's grace, which was extended to us while we were his enemies....
The "peace" being addressed is worldly peace, the prosperity is utterly carnal and the restoration is another form of return to some sort of previous Eden like idyll.
Carnal, secular fluff. And what is puerile is the kindergarten cute of mirroring the five pillars of Islam
I like your previous comments. They are cogent, fair and I think correct. However, regarding this last although Islam does refer to five pillars I think this is merely coincidental to the thrust of the article and not intentional in the sense of mirroring, let alone supporting Islam which fails all five points of Christian Patriotism as described except it does have purpose which is power and very different from that described here.
The article uses the “Five Pillars” label as a structural device, common in writing to evoke familiarity (especially when contrasting with Islam or other traditions). However, the content is Christian-Western in inspiration, not Islamic. It promotes a form of Christian patriotism as an alternative to what the author calls “Christian Nationalism.” There is no theological, ritual, or doctrinal overlap with Islam’s Five Pillars.
May I narrow the focus? Think Babylon, Assyria, Ancient Egypt of ancient times and more recently British Imperialism, French Imperialism following Portuguese Imperialism, those all born and raised different sorts of Christian and bearing far from fraternal love and peaceful co-existence.
It seems to me the current controversy concerns separation of church and state or something very similar. The "unity" was in partiality and brought about neither peace with fellow citizen nor peace with neighbouring states.
We alive in the first world are deluded that the long post-ww2 absence of another world war was a return to "normal".
I fully agree and for that reason I support the concept of Christian Patriotism as a way of unifying ‘our’ tribe against the onslaught it is experiencing and will do so even more at cost of its destruction unless radical Islam is confronted with unabashed, self first, confidence and vigour.
When Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek he was referring to individual response to unfair treatment not tribal or national response to civilisational threat. This concept has been fully considered under Just War theory as proposed by Augustine and Aquinas amongst others.
In a nutshell, and at risk of over simplification, fight fire with fire and in this case Christian Patriotism offers a moderate start to that process.
What a gift to start this Memorial Day weekend and Pentecost celebration with this reflection. May the Lord give me the strength to internalize and practice these maxims every day