The backlash to Sabrina Carpenter’s instinctive reaction after hearing an unfamiliar Middle Eastern zaghrouta reveals a deeper confusion between respect, preference, and approval in modern discourse.
The question that springs to mind is why is a Muslim (clearly proud of their traditions) at a concert where a woman is, according to their traditions, effectively performing naked?
I agree. For example in a public park is it ok for people to play music either from a “boombox” or with instruments so loudly that the whole park can hear. I go to the local parks to enjoy the relative quiet. Don’t mind at all the sounds of people talking, playing, enjoying a sport. That’s expected. Not every one likes your choice of music. Play it softly or wear headphones.
Oh please, leftists insist of celebrating foreign cultures while disparaging and mocking our own native western cultures. A sect of Indians bathing in cow dung is “enriching” while us watching the NFL is “boring”. Give me a break.
Oh no, I am not saying she’s defending leftist attack on our culture, my “oh please” is aimed at the leftists she is criticizing. I didn’t communicate properly.
Expression of domination, I’d guess. It’s a way to normalize that they won’t adopt the cultural norms of this society, but rather interrupt and eventually override them. I don’t recall ever seeing or hearing other groups do this. Most immigrants try to integrate into the societies where they have relocated and adapt to the cultural norms.
At the end of the day, the fans who, I assume, had paid to hear Ms Carpenter, not a Muslim call. Interrupting a performance, in our culture, is just rude.
The Koran says Christians and Jews are the worst of all peoples .... and not to take them as friends. Even if the arabic trills were meant as a cheer to the singer, we in the West don't necessarily know that. Why should we? Common in lefty circles but not (yet) everywhere else. Lefties & Muslims will take political offence anyway.
The problem as always is not that many people criticized her. It is that the criticism is megaphoned, amplified, coalesced and viralized by social media.
Surely in the days before the internet, negative comments were likely made to the person sitting across from you and lost forever. The internet weaponizes humans’ herd instinct.
Despite this we’ll argued article, nothing will change by it. The only practical response is to ignore all the haters. I honestly was disappointed she apologized because she had nothing to apologize for. It’s the mob that should check their behavior but that will never happen.
Some of us are confirmed in the decision to maintain criticism and objection and resistance to the attempt by Muslims to take over the world. We are not paranoid, they are out to infiltrate, overpower, dominate and control and they have it down in writing.
Thank you, Delphine, for an astute analysis of this unfortunately not uncommon story of "artist-punished-for-disrespecting-Islam". I'm sure if a group chanted "Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem", any sarcastic response would have been cheered. Hey, Islam is the Cool Cheese today, man! Also, they tend to kill. Also so cool...
People did blow this out of proportion. Sabrina’s reaction may have been awkward, but the leap to calling it Islamophobic felt excessive. Treating every imperfect response as hatred makes the word lose force when actual hatred appears
As with all of AHA's columnists, your essay is both clear in it presentation and sound in its logic. Admit me a few note: The world today seems to be falling into being run by evil people or stupid people, although, in a Venn diagram, the two categories will sometimes overlap. Mohammedans are evil folk who insist on convincing stupid people that any criticism of their death cult is "Islamophobia" and thus must be condemned. That advances their cult by enforcing the silence of shame on Western Civilization. apparently, nobody today know what the Greek word "phobia" means. "Antipathy" is not phobia. However, when applied to Islam, it is correctly used for good reason even though not for good purpose. "Transphobia" is another word that is actually accurate, as it turns out, but not in the way the folks who use it mean it. 'nuff said.
As a political religion officially determined to convert the whole world by all means necessary, opposition to Islam is not a phobia but prompted by an intelligent understanding of the real and present danger.
They are harnessing secular psychology by using the technical term phobia which is applied to a irrational and excessive aversion to dangers and threats which can be dealt with proportionately.
This is messed up. She never should have apologized. That sound didn't belong in that time and context. It's human to react to this with at least surprise, if not shock.
Yes Ayaan ---cultural traditions etc. are not --people. People who are responsible members of society deserve respect. Grouping tradtions, habits etc with people seems to be part of the other group identifications liberals promulgate. Grouping gives a place for bad actors to hide.
Islam is an ideology & theology. What does that have to do with the yodel? And why do people even accept this “Islamophobia” accusation? It’s nonsense.
Do not discriminate against individual Muslims, but say whatever you want about their “religious” practices and repressive laws.
We have freedom of thought and speech here. Sad that so many are ready to voluntarily give those rights away.
The question that springs to mind is why is a Muslim (clearly proud of their traditions) at a concert where a woman is, according to their traditions, effectively performing naked?
Damn good point. I say most Mohammedan men are hypocrites, just like he was.
I agree. For example in a public park is it ok for people to play music either from a “boombox” or with instruments so loudly that the whole park can hear. I go to the local parks to enjoy the relative quiet. Don’t mind at all the sounds of people talking, playing, enjoying a sport. That’s expected. Not every one likes your choice of music. Play it softly or wear headphones.
Oh please, leftists insist of celebrating foreign cultures while disparaging and mocking our own native western cultures. A sect of Indians bathing in cow dung is “enriching” while us watching the NFL is “boring”. Give me a break.
is there a gas leak at your home? Nobody has ever said this
Your criticism of this essay makes no sense. She is not defending leftist criticism of Western cultures.
Oh no, I am not saying she’s defending leftist attack on our culture, my “oh please” is aimed at the leftists she is criticizing. I didn’t communicate properly.
Now I understand. I apologize.
Bitch
One of the most intelligent comments ever posted on this site. Brief as it is.
Don't apologize Stephen!
this is not a thing
The real question is: Why were they doing a Moslem call in the middle of a Sabrina Carpenter concert anyway?
Expression of domination, I’d guess. It’s a way to normalize that they won’t adopt the cultural norms of this society, but rather interrupt and eventually override them. I don’t recall ever seeing or hearing other groups do this. Most immigrants try to integrate into the societies where they have relocated and adapt to the cultural norms.
I agree. My question was somewhat rhetorical.
At the end of the day, the fans who, I assume, had paid to hear Ms Carpenter, not a Muslim call. Interrupting a performance, in our culture, is just rude.
Muslims teach each other that they are the best of all peoples and have been given a commission from a pagan god to dominate the entire world.
She was being natural and taking advantage of the freedom of self-expression valued in the cultures they hate.
The Koran says Christians and Jews are the worst of all peoples .... and not to take them as friends. Even if the arabic trills were meant as a cheer to the singer, we in the West don't necessarily know that. Why should we? Common in lefty circles but not (yet) everywhere else. Lefties & Muslims will take political offence anyway.
The problem as always is not that many people criticized her. It is that the criticism is megaphoned, amplified, coalesced and viralized by social media.
Surely in the days before the internet, negative comments were likely made to the person sitting across from you and lost forever. The internet weaponizes humans’ herd instinct.
Despite this we’ll argued article, nothing will change by it. The only practical response is to ignore all the haters. I honestly was disappointed she apologized because she had nothing to apologize for. It’s the mob that should check their behavior but that will never happen.
Some of us are confirmed in the decision to maintain criticism and objection and resistance to the attempt by Muslims to take over the world. We are not paranoid, they are out to infiltrate, overpower, dominate and control and they have it down in writing.
Thank you, Delphine, for an astute analysis of this unfortunately not uncommon story of "artist-punished-for-disrespecting-Islam". I'm sure if a group chanted "Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis requiem", any sarcastic response would have been cheered. Hey, Islam is the Cool Cheese today, man! Also, they tend to kill. Also so cool...
People did blow this out of proportion. Sabrina’s reaction may have been awkward, but the leap to calling it Islamophobic felt excessive. Treating every imperfect response as hatred makes the word lose force when actual hatred appears
As with all of AHA's columnists, your essay is both clear in it presentation and sound in its logic. Admit me a few note: The world today seems to be falling into being run by evil people or stupid people, although, in a Venn diagram, the two categories will sometimes overlap. Mohammedans are evil folk who insist on convincing stupid people that any criticism of their death cult is "Islamophobia" and thus must be condemned. That advances their cult by enforcing the silence of shame on Western Civilization. apparently, nobody today know what the Greek word "phobia" means. "Antipathy" is not phobia. However, when applied to Islam, it is correctly used for good reason even though not for good purpose. "Transphobia" is another word that is actually accurate, as it turns out, but not in the way the folks who use it mean it. 'nuff said.
As a political religion officially determined to convert the whole world by all means necessary, opposition to Islam is not a phobia but prompted by an intelligent understanding of the real and present danger.
They are harnessing secular psychology by using the technical term phobia which is applied to a irrational and excessive aversion to dangers and threats which can be dealt with proportionately.
Just sing out a joyful Sabrina lyric at an Islamic service and see what kind of cultural acceptance you get...
This is messed up. She never should have apologized. That sound didn't belong in that time and context. It's human to react to this with at least surprise, if not shock.
Yes Ayaan ---cultural traditions etc. are not --people. People who are responsible members of society deserve respect. Grouping tradtions, habits etc with people seems to be part of the other group identifications liberals promulgate. Grouping gives a place for bad actors to hide.
Ayan Hirsi Ali did not write this essay.
If people come to hear someone they shouldn't interupt.
Seems like it was distracting to the performance. That is all.
Islam is an ideology & theology. What does that have to do with the yodel? And why do people even accept this “Islamophobia” accusation? It’s nonsense.
Do not discriminate against individual Muslims, but say whatever you want about their “religious” practices and repressive laws.
We have freedom of thought and speech here. Sad that so many are ready to voluntarily give those rights away.
Hello Ayaan it is me the ghost of Theo van Gogh here to condemn you to eternal hell for killing me