This irreverent view of unborn babies is a direct result of evolutionary theory which looks at humans as nothing more than just another ordinary animal. We are not mere animals. We're humans, created, with a soul, with minds capable of discernment of the infinite! Fact!
No, evolutionary theory doesn’t inherently have to be irreverent and there are people who have been and are scientists or educated in the sciences, who are still religious believers. Science technically neither proves nor disproves God, nor any possibility of a higher universal consciousness. And YES, we are animals as in we are not plants nor fungi. Taxonomy is merely a way of classifying things (and living things from non living things, as well as living things one from another. Notice that there are NO non-living things in these particular classifications. Geologists have their own classification system for rocks and minerals. We have the kingdoms animalia, plantae and others, because it is merely a listing, with common traits, ie. “classification”, of living “things” ie. organisms.) So yes, we are animals. But we are the “weirdest” animals on the planet. We have developed technology adaptations to a level and degree far beyond any tool use by any other animals, to the point that we are the only “animal” and only hominids (Neanderthal, Australopithecus, etc) to have left the planet (and flung a few other species out there: like a dog, chimpanzee, and, accidentally, tiny tiny tardigrades. 🤪😂🥴) Being an animal actually doesn’t mean we can’t also hold a belief that there is something more, bigger, than we are guiding the universe, including us. While I understand your position, and there are people who mistakenly believe that “science & evolution disproves the existence of any “diety” like God, this is a fundamental misconception too. It doesn’t prove the existence of God, but it also doesn’t disprove it because the lack of proof isn’t in and of itself conclusive. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence: A famous saying by Carl Sagan that describes this exact error. (From Google by the way because I couldn’t remember it and who said it.) Plenty of scientists have been religious or at least agnostic (Einstein was agnostic for example) not everyone is atheist. I hope this helps.
The unborn are dehumanized and unreasonably compared to "even heart cells pump in a petri dish" but also the old and infirm (and homeless) are cast aside now as just taking up space. So the gamut of human dignity is closing in from both ends – who will fall outside its range next?
"4th Trimester", viz. has been recognized as a legitimate medical concept in
2014 by the American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists and in
2022 by the N.I.H. - cardiology integration
MA allows abortion up to 9 months today
When will MA slowly, subtly condition MA's people to accept "abortion in the 4th trimester"?
I don't deem this an exaggeration since it wasn't long ago (1992) that Presidential candidate Bill Clinton said the abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare."
Jane, none of what you posted actually makes sense. It seems you copied & pasted something, but without verification of source and it doesn’t all flow on a coherent way, perhaps you should review, edit and revise (I do, and as a result will add a source to one of my own cut and pastes, so this is an objective analysis, not a personal attack) and the last sentence about Clinton merely points out that he didn’t want abortion to be common or dangerous, and it seems to contradict your point, unless perhaps that was your point? 🤷♀️
PLEASE READ (I KNOW ITS LONG, BUT PLEASE READ ANYWAY):
Ok, first things first: For the later part of the 20th century and the entire 21st century thus far, the extreme debates over Abortion and politics (and the political polarization) rather than healthcare education, infant mortality rates, maternal mortality rates, and pre-pregnancy healthcare, have obscured the real picture.
The real picture includes the fact that in the USA & the world at least 30% of all (total) pregnancies miscarry in the first trimester! While I’m neither for nor against “Fauci” I am most certainly FOR TRUTH, KNOWLEDGE, and UNDERSTANDING.
Unfortunately we have done a very poor job of educating people of all ages about how their own bodies work. During the pandemic I heard and saw (even offline in private conversations with people) that most people really don’t understand how their own bodies work, how their immune system works, or even how magnetism works, much less (frighteningly) how to use logic and reason to try to get to a better understanding. And panic of the masses is real, and not conducive to a better understanding or better outcomes.
So let’s just with some basic facts:
An overwhelming majority of miscarriages occur within the first trimester (13 weeks) and the majority of those occur during the beginning of that trimester. And the reason for that has nothing to do with morality or a person’s outlook on life, abortion, or politics. It has to do with basic biology (which is what Fauci and the others were focused on) and the fact is that of those miscarriages the vast majority occur because of maternal age and genetic abnormalities of the fetus. It’s a sad fact of life. So environmental factors, even vaccinations, don’t appear to negatively impact overall outcomes. (That fact may surprise a LOT of people.) That means we are NOT seeing a lot of women coming into doctors offices or hospitals miscarrying at later and larger numbers, especially after any vaccinations at any point- and this is now years after the pandemic and the vaccine rollout, so those numbers should have moved if the vaccine effected the miscarriage rate (and this applies to other countries too.) The numbers remained consistent across the country and across the industrialized world. The vaccine didn’t move the needle!
Unfortunately politics and the internet have engendered a lot of mistrust, much of which could be avoided if more people were better educated about how their own bodies work, and about how science & especially biological sciences work. “Claims circulating online stating that the vaccine caused an 82% miscarriage rate stem from a flawed mathematical misreading of an early April 2021 study. The original researchers evaluated a small subgroup of completed pregnancies before long-term data on the thousands of other actively pregnant participants in the registry became available.” (Source: Google). Their sample size was too small and frankly too early.
So, what did Fauci actually say in that text message? Fauci states that the second dose “theoretically could be associated with miscarriage in the 1st trimester.” THEORETICALLY is a very important modifier here! Technically there are a lot of things that could, THEORETICALLY, impact miscarriage, but is it PROBABLE? No it wasn’t very probable for all the reasons I have previously stated. So not mentioning it wasn’t some unempathetic, immoral cover up! It was just stating biological and technical facts in a conversation with other knowledgeable people (and you can be knowledgeable too, it doesn’t require a degree per se, but it does require knowledge of biology and science, logic and reason.) This doesn’t “clear” Fauci or others of anything else, but it doesn’t “convict” him of a negligence, horrors, or a cover up. We need healthier debate & discussion so we can all share what we know and how we know it and present and understand it.
This irreverent view of unborn babies is a direct result of evolutionary theory which looks at humans as nothing more than just another ordinary animal. We are not mere animals. We're humans, created, with a soul, with minds capable of discernment of the infinite! Fact!
with a soul
How do you know humans have souls? Do cats? Do AIs? How can you tell?
Show me me an experiment that can distinguish soul-having entities from soulless ones; if you can’t you are not even wrong.
No, evolutionary theory doesn’t inherently have to be irreverent and there are people who have been and are scientists or educated in the sciences, who are still religious believers. Science technically neither proves nor disproves God, nor any possibility of a higher universal consciousness. And YES, we are animals as in we are not plants nor fungi. Taxonomy is merely a way of classifying things (and living things from non living things, as well as living things one from another. Notice that there are NO non-living things in these particular classifications. Geologists have their own classification system for rocks and minerals. We have the kingdoms animalia, plantae and others, because it is merely a listing, with common traits, ie. “classification”, of living “things” ie. organisms.) So yes, we are animals. But we are the “weirdest” animals on the planet. We have developed technology adaptations to a level and degree far beyond any tool use by any other animals, to the point that we are the only “animal” and only hominids (Neanderthal, Australopithecus, etc) to have left the planet (and flung a few other species out there: like a dog, chimpanzee, and, accidentally, tiny tiny tardigrades. 🤪😂🥴) Being an animal actually doesn’t mean we can’t also hold a belief that there is something more, bigger, than we are guiding the universe, including us. While I understand your position, and there are people who mistakenly believe that “science & evolution disproves the existence of any “diety” like God, this is a fundamental misconception too. It doesn’t prove the existence of God, but it also doesn’t disprove it because the lack of proof isn’t in and of itself conclusive. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence: A famous saying by Carl Sagan that describes this exact error. (From Google by the way because I couldn’t remember it and who said it.) Plenty of scientists have been religious or at least agnostic (Einstein was agnostic for example) not everyone is atheist. I hope this helps.
The unborn are dehumanized and unreasonably compared to "even heart cells pump in a petri dish" but also the old and infirm (and homeless) are cast aside now as just taking up space. So the gamut of human dignity is closing in from both ends – who will fall outside its range next?
Well they’re not. To be human is to have language and sapience.
Also I suspect the motives of those who profess to really really care about the unborn and then as soon as the baby is born no longer give a shit.
Typo: sentience (not sapients) 🥴
Your suspicions are incorrect and ultimately irrelevant.
Beware the slow slide to Sodom and Gomorrah
"4th Trimester", viz. has been recognized as a legitimate medical concept in
2014 by the American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists and in
2022 by the N.I.H. - cardiology integration
MA allows abortion up to 9 months today
When will MA slowly, subtly condition MA's people to accept "abortion in the 4th trimester"?
I don't deem this an exaggeration since it wasn't long ago (1992) that Presidential candidate Bill Clinton said the abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare."
Jane, none of what you posted actually makes sense. It seems you copied & pasted something, but without verification of source and it doesn’t all flow on a coherent way, perhaps you should review, edit and revise (I do, and as a result will add a source to one of my own cut and pastes, so this is an objective analysis, not a personal attack) and the last sentence about Clinton merely points out that he didn’t want abortion to be common or dangerous, and it seems to contradict your point, unless perhaps that was your point? 🤷♀️
PLEASE READ (I KNOW ITS LONG, BUT PLEASE READ ANYWAY):
Ok, first things first: For the later part of the 20th century and the entire 21st century thus far, the extreme debates over Abortion and politics (and the political polarization) rather than healthcare education, infant mortality rates, maternal mortality rates, and pre-pregnancy healthcare, have obscured the real picture.
The real picture includes the fact that in the USA & the world at least 30% of all (total) pregnancies miscarry in the first trimester! While I’m neither for nor against “Fauci” I am most certainly FOR TRUTH, KNOWLEDGE, and UNDERSTANDING.
Unfortunately we have done a very poor job of educating people of all ages about how their own bodies work. During the pandemic I heard and saw (even offline in private conversations with people) that most people really don’t understand how their own bodies work, how their immune system works, or even how magnetism works, much less (frighteningly) how to use logic and reason to try to get to a better understanding. And panic of the masses is real, and not conducive to a better understanding or better outcomes.
So let’s just with some basic facts:
An overwhelming majority of miscarriages occur within the first trimester (13 weeks) and the majority of those occur during the beginning of that trimester. And the reason for that has nothing to do with morality or a person’s outlook on life, abortion, or politics. It has to do with basic biology (which is what Fauci and the others were focused on) and the fact is that of those miscarriages the vast majority occur because of maternal age and genetic abnormalities of the fetus. It’s a sad fact of life. So environmental factors, even vaccinations, don’t appear to negatively impact overall outcomes. (That fact may surprise a LOT of people.) That means we are NOT seeing a lot of women coming into doctors offices or hospitals miscarrying at later and larger numbers, especially after any vaccinations at any point- and this is now years after the pandemic and the vaccine rollout, so those numbers should have moved if the vaccine effected the miscarriage rate (and this applies to other countries too.) The numbers remained consistent across the country and across the industrialized world. The vaccine didn’t move the needle!
Unfortunately politics and the internet have engendered a lot of mistrust, much of which could be avoided if more people were better educated about how their own bodies work, and about how science & especially biological sciences work. “Claims circulating online stating that the vaccine caused an 82% miscarriage rate stem from a flawed mathematical misreading of an early April 2021 study. The original researchers evaluated a small subgroup of completed pregnancies before long-term data on the thousands of other actively pregnant participants in the registry became available.” (Source: Google). Their sample size was too small and frankly too early.
So, what did Fauci actually say in that text message? Fauci states that the second dose “theoretically could be associated with miscarriage in the 1st trimester.” THEORETICALLY is a very important modifier here! Technically there are a lot of things that could, THEORETICALLY, impact miscarriage, but is it PROBABLE? No it wasn’t very probable for all the reasons I have previously stated. So not mentioning it wasn’t some unempathetic, immoral cover up! It was just stating biological and technical facts in a conversation with other knowledgeable people (and you can be knowledgeable too, it doesn’t require a degree per se, but it does require knowledge of biology and science, logic and reason.) This doesn’t “clear” Fauci or others of anything else, but it doesn’t “convict” him of a negligence, horrors, or a cover up. We need healthier debate & discussion so we can all share what we know and how we know it and present and understand it.